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In practice, however, ideas about "great literature" were shaped by sexual, class and racial prejudices, though obviously in more recent decades there's been a push to broaden the canon.<br /><br />That's why, while I'm not totally opposed to canon formation, I'm very wary of it, particularly when the criteria by which the texts are chosen is unclear and/or the selection is shaped by unacknowledged preferences and prejudices.Laura Vivancohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00906661869372622821noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-630346294397505634.post-41275124266714414512013-05-23T16:48:44.668-04:002013-05-23T16:48:44.668-04:00Thanks, Laura, for clarifying your positions here....Thanks, Laura, for clarifying your positions here. I appreciate it!<br /><br />Are you against canon formation at all? Or just your own opinion being the guide for constructing it?Jackie C. Hornehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04146684628443152376noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-630346294397505634.post-26383740730298110732013-05-21T16:08:53.159-04:002013-05-21T16:08:53.159-04:00is "literary art" in any way connected t...<i>is "literary art" in any way connected to "literary merit"</i><br /><br />Well, yes, inasmuch as something written without "art" is unlikely to be deemed to have "literary merit." However, many things take skill to write but are not deemed to have literary merit because, as you say, ideas about what constitutes "literary merit" are so varied and subjective.<br /><br />What I tried to do was show was that there <b>is</b> skill involved in writing category romances and that they can be quite complex. That latter point's important because, as Pamela Regis noted in a keynote speech at one of the IASPR conferences:<br /><br />“complexity” is an overarching value in all critical work from whatever era. Literary critics—we—all believe “that literature is complex and that to understand it requires patient unraveling, translating, decoding, interpretation, analyzing” (105). Indeed, for some of the critics she examined, simplicity, the opposite of complexity, was nothing less than a “much-maligned state” (110). So fundamental is the idea of complexity, that either by direct statement or by implication, each of us answers the question, “Are romance novels complex?” I think our answer to this question matters a great deal. (<a href="http://jprstudies.org/2011/10/%E2%80%9Cwhat-do-critics-owe-the-romance-keynote-address-at-the-second-annual-conference-of-the-international-association-for-the-study-of-popular-romance%E2%80%9D-by-pamela-regis/" rel="nofollow">Regis</a>)<br /><br /><i>which HM&B do you think constitutes "masterpieces," in terms of the skills required to produce a top-notch HM&B book</i><br /><br />Again, I think opinions vary, in part because there are a number of different skills required, and some authors may be very skilled in some areas and less so in others. Also, preferences re mimetic modes, favourite types of characters and plot situations etc have changed over the decades, so someone who was a "top notch" author in the 1930s, say, probably wouldn't be a great success with today's readers.<br /><br /><i>does your choice of "masterpieces" take into account ideology, or is your judgment based solely on literary skill?</i><br /><br />My own judgements take into account ideology and also my personal preferences re literary modes etc and since that means so many subjective factors are involved, I'd rather not single out the titles I prefer. I'm wary of imposing my preferences and implying that they're a good basis on which to start building some sort of "canon."Laura Vivancohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00906661869372622821noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-630346294397505634.post-9174838619261158852013-05-21T12:53:54.838-04:002013-05-21T12:53:54.838-04:00As a scholar of children's literature, I would...As a scholar of children's literature, I would often get the same kind of reaction from my fellow graduate students -- children's books are easy, by definition, so why would a scholar need to study them? The serious scholarly study of children's literature began in the 1980s, and early scholars spent a lot of time trying to justify their work. Children's lit critics have moved beyond apologetics, and the field is currently flourishing, even despite some academics' continued condescension. I think romance studies is at an earlier stage in its development than children's lit studies is, more in the "we have to explain and justify what we do" stage. But shifts in children's lit studies give me hope that romance studies, too, will one day be more widely accepted in the scholarly community.Jackie C. Hornehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04146684628443152376noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-630346294397505634.post-40717682421746383542013-05-21T12:48:19.275-04:002013-05-21T12:48:19.275-04:00Yes, I do think the long tradition of denigrating ...Yes, I do think the long tradition of denigrating romance stems in part from the fact that most of its authors and readers are women. But there are many other reasons, too, including class (category romance is often considered fiction for the working classes, not worthy of the attention of more educated readers and scholars) and feminism (many early students of the genre were feminists who identified troubling, oppressive aspects in Harlequin romances of the 1960s and 70s). Romance has changed significantly, but the conventional wisdom about romance and its lack of value hasn't.Jackie C. Hornehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04146684628443152376noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-630346294397505634.post-33199745731931305692013-05-21T12:43:50.294-04:002013-05-21T12:43:50.294-04:00Thanks, Laura, for the pointer to your blog, where...Thanks, Laura, for the pointer to your blog, where you discuss "literary art" in more detail. But I'm still left wondering two things: first, is "literary art" in any way connected to "literary merit," and the myriad debates about what constitutes it, in the academic world? And which HM&B do you think constitutes "masterpieces," in terms of the skills required to produce a top-notch HM&B book? Oh, and I guess a third question: does your choice of "masterpieces" take into account ideology, or is your judgment based solely on literary skill?Jackie C. Hornehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04146684628443152376noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-630346294397505634.post-68752666606259360592013-05-18T15:14:20.082-04:002013-05-18T15:14:20.082-04:00I join the applause because I´m an academic schola...I join the applause because I´m an academic scholar too (Latin American historian)and I have always had a difficult time explaining a) why I like this particular kind of literature and b)its cultural/sociological importance. My peers don´t consider it as literature at all, and tend to look at me as if I were some kind of fantastic creature. They would say: How can the latest Eric Hobsbawm book can coexist with Jill Shalvis "It had to be you" in your bedside table? Well, stereotypes are the worst that can happen to anybody, specially a highly educated Latin American woman. I daresay that if more scholars join Vivanco´s club (and this one), they will be able build a new teorethical field, reinforce categories and earn more and more visibility in the academic world for this literature. As in any other discipline, the more people joins the conversation the more interesting it gets, more sophisticated and thus academically acceptable. We don´t need it, but I think we deserve it.parchitahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03157526014200811130noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-630346294397505634.post-49472403087153101342013-05-18T08:41:00.658-04:002013-05-18T08:41:00.658-04:00Sarah Freeman's article in the Yorkshire post ...Sarah Freeman's article in the Yorkshire post is "predictable" and <br />reading it is "a precious waste of life". Sarah should really come up with a fresh opinion. Dumping on the romance genre has been done before. I daresay, it's been done from here to eternity. <br /><br />Her attitude reminds me of a speaker at NEC this year. NEC has many NYT bestselling authors who write romance. I can't imagine where she got the guts to show up (for payment) and lecture to writers with more experience the she. This woman took 7 years to write a novel which (her words) is unpublishable. Then she stood there and told successful writers that she always considered romance characters as "flat". Gee, I wonder if she ever read a romance. I doubt it.<br /><br />Finally, do people denigrate romance because women are the authors? I bet lots of opinions are based on a sexist (conscious or not) world view. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-630346294397505634.post-91639761373322429962013-05-18T07:41:27.236-04:002013-05-18T07:41:27.236-04:00Thanks very much for the very detailed review. Wha...Thanks very much for the very detailed review. What you wrote about the "knee-jerk ridicule from academe" had particular resonance for me in the light of the statement, included in the last review <i>For Love and Money</i> received, that HM&Bs are "clones of the same hive mind: a single story in multiple, infinite iterations, written by uncounted authors and their pseudonyms".<br /><br />Re "Vivanco never gives her readers a definition of just what constitutes "literary art," I was using fairly basic definitions of "literary" and "art", such as one would find in the OED. I'm a bit medievalist in my thinking about "masterpieces." The explanation's quite long, so I've <a href="http://www.vivanco.me.uk/blog/post/masterpieces-literary-art" rel="nofollow">written it up as a blog post</a>.Laura Vivancohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00906661869372622821noreply@blogger.com