tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-630346294397505634.post1423964799985655927..comments2024-03-28T07:00:12.226-04:00Comments on Romance Novels for Feminists: 1980s Feminism in Lois McMaster Bujold's SHARDS OF HONORJackie C. Hornehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04146684628443152376noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-630346294397505634.post-70662285663612737602013-09-06T16:47:35.445-04:002013-09-06T16:47:35.445-04:00But you don't know the details about Aral and ...But you don't know the details about Aral and Vorruttyer's prior relationship in this book. It's only after you read further in the series do you discover this. Interesting to think about how authors "rewrite" previous books in many ways by information they give about past events in later titles in a series...Jackie C. Hornehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04146684628443152376noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-630346294397505634.post-59013376130192674432013-09-06T16:32:37.404-04:002013-09-06T16:32:37.404-04:00I wonder if you aren't missing an important el...I wonder if you aren't missing an important element when you describe VorRuttyer as "An old boyhood friend of Vorkosigan's". He was not just an old friend, he was his lover and source of dissipation as seductive to Aral as alcohol or violence. He is the antithesis of Cordelia and a twisted negative to everything positive about her. Viewed in isolation this relationship could be portrayed as base homophobia on Bujold's part (patently ridiculous in light of her larger oeuvre), but in this case I think it function as a dialectic for Aral's transformation.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16752152425637907935noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-630346294397505634.post-68310242470158935752013-08-25T09:01:23.018-04:002013-08-25T09:01:23.018-04:00Thanks, anonymous, for sharing your thoughts, and ...Thanks, anonymous, for sharing your thoughts, and your stories. It's fascinating to me to think about how books can be covertly progressive for some readers (your father), openly progressive for others (you), and be both progressive and conservative to yet others (me). <br /><br />I'm planning to read BARRYAR in the next week or two, and am looking forward to discovering more of the ways that Bujold brings a feminist viewpoint to the largely male-oriented world of SF.Jackie C. Hornehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04146684628443152376noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-630346294397505634.post-28792843065279819372013-08-24T01:11:24.858-04:002013-08-24T01:11:24.858-04:00My take: Bujold's books are problematic, progr...My take: Bujold's books are problematic, progressive, and important. I read all of the Vorkosigan saga that existed in my early teens. It was the first place I heard the word "bisexual," and my immediate understanding, without judgment, was recognition: that word described me.<br /><br />It was also my first experience with sci-fi that was really character-centric. Dune, Asimov, Douglas Adams, probably some more recent books focusing on wars in space--Bujold's novels are worlds apart in how they treat characterization.<br /><br />And her second Chalion book was the first novel I read, in any genre, where the protagonist was a middle-aged woman.<br /><br />The Miles books are frustrating in that he has a much more important relationship with his father, even though they describe him (rightly) as being more like his mother. The point about her being portrayed in a nurturing role is interesting because Miles inherited her beyond-reason care for the lives of his subordinates and others, yet never has such a direct nurturing role that I can think of, other than bandaging a child's blistered feet.<br /><br />If anything, I think Bujold's problem is too nonjudgmental--there's a point where a character crosses a line and really shouldn't be sympathetic anymore, and Bujold's line is way farther out than mine.<br /><br />But the strength of her writing is that she's invaded a very macho corner of the genre with overwhelming success, and injected complex characters who feel and grow, who as a bonus are relatable while breaking conventions: being a middle-aged woman, a bisexual male soldier, a female mercenary, both male and female, a soldier with physical disabilities, a widow who doesn't escape the taint of divorce since she left her husband right before he died (there's a theme of inner shame/pride vs. outer reputation throughout the series), someone struggling with mental illness, someone who fears a genetic taint in their family, a queen-by-marriage who's highly educated and sharp rather than just a male fantasy, and so on. Bujold takes an audience who aren't looking for their eyes to be opened and introduces them to a wide array of possibilities beyond cultural constraints and stereotypes. These are books my openly homophobic, anti-feminist father read and was happy for his children to read because of the smart, militaristic protagonist who loves his conservative homeland and succeeds despite having a disability, yet they taught me so much more than that.<br /><br />It's pretty amazing for a light YA-ish sci-fi action/mystery read to teach a teenager about empathy and the complexity of social change, but that's what many of Bujold's books did. I think that ability to teach empathy and complexity is ultimately more important than portraying the "correct" heroes and heroines (and hero-herms?), because the messages Bujold's books impart give a teen the tools to derive more-advanced feminist messages: Think for yourself. You're responsible for your actions. Wrestle with your conscience. Don't be afraid to act. Differences enrich lives. Societal hatred often comes from different types of pain, and it's a long battle. Casual prejudice for one person can be a lifetime of grinding struggle for the ones it's directed against. Everyone is flawed, but don't give up.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-630346294397505634.post-24212045632984665572013-07-08T00:22:01.610-04:002013-07-08T00:22:01.610-04:00Bujold is one of my auto-buys and her women are al...Bujold is one of my auto-buys and her women are always interesting to read. I picked up Shards of Honor back in 1986 and was delighted to find a strong, capable woman as a main character. Barrayar is also good but came much later, after she had started writing about Miles Vorkosigan who is a incredibly complex character. Lois works in all those themes about disability, prejudice, great man's son, and over-achiever. Miles keeps seeking out strong women and giving them wings but none of them will follow him back to Barrayar. Very smart women...<br />JennyJenny Schwartzberghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06346217514073560797noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-630346294397505634.post-28856020543645082262013-06-28T09:18:26.549-04:002013-06-28T09:18:26.549-04:00In the context of the book, it's not a put-dow...In the context of the book, it's not a put-down. Keep in mind that the character saying it has been raised in a very patriarchal and militarist society. <br /><br />Aral Vorkosigan is -- and the books make this very, explicitly clear -- not perfect. Bujold's authorial stance is that he's a very imperfect man from a deeply flawed society, but that he's nonetheless admirable and heroic because (1) he has real and great virtues, and (2) he is trying to be better.<br /><br />Here's a thing that is implicit in Shards, but made explicit in Barrayar: Aral is bisexual, which is a huge taboo on Barrayar. He has to some extent succeeded in sublimating his attraction to men by making himself a great commander. Nonetheless, he's rather lonely and frustrated. Cordelia solves his problems by being a woman who has "male" characteristics (i.e., is in a military, is a leader, etc.) Bujold is actually subverting a classic romance trope here -- Aral falls hard for Cordelia and she is the True Love of his life, but that's because he is (by the standards of his own society) a repressed freak.<br /><br />Aral is a little screwed up in other ways, too. Dynastic politics in Barrayar regularly involve Game-of-Thrones levels of violence. Aral lost his mother and his older brother to them, and is a classic second-son-who-must-try-harder. <br /><br />In later books, Bujold's characters are going to get even more complicated and troubled; just wait until you meet Lord Mark. But that's a topic for another thread.<br /><br /><br />Doug M.<br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-630346294397505634.post-80747498559240641752013-06-28T08:56:17.286-04:002013-06-28T08:56:17.286-04:00Sexual predation and violence are themes that will...Sexual predation and violence are themes that will appear again in the books. Whether Bujold handles them well... give it another couple of books, and tell us what you think.<br /><br />Barrayar is the immediate sequel to Shards. The first 100 pages or so were written immediately after Shards, the other 2/3 of the book were written about a decade later. See if you can spot the dividing point!<br /><br /><br />Doug M.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-630346294397505634.post-49607898907676920812013-06-27T01:50:13.879-04:002013-06-27T01:50:13.879-04:00I don't read that line as a put down at all. I...I don't read that line as a put down at all. It comes over to me as admiration for Cordelia being true to herself rather than taking on the trappings of male power to achieve her aims. Aral always seems to me to be watching how masculinity is performed and critiquing the roles played. He knows the cost for people in a heavily surveilled, politically fraught world whose inner self is congruent with their outer performance of self. He is also very aware of how his privilege as a man and a Vor has helped him skate through the risks of such surveillance.<br /><br />Looking forward to you reading Barrayar Jackie. I have always been moved by Cordelia's point that victory for Crown Princess Kareen at this point of Vordarian's War was living to spit on all their graves. Such a reminder about sexism and relative power as the men around the table judge Kareen for her powerlessness - the very thing created by the Barrayaran version of patriarchy.Merrianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00022565372969180953noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-630346294397505634.post-25482018638008217072013-06-26T22:17:56.258-04:002013-06-26T22:17:56.258-04:00Very interesting points, Jackie! When I read Shard...Very interesting points, Jackie! When I read Shards, I didn't think it was as feminist as it could be -though I agree the heroine's strong in a lot of ways and Vorkosigan likes that in her and allows her to be her. Usually, I cut authors slack. They're writing a story, not discussing theory in a classroom, so inevitably their characters or scenarios can't avoid every single stereotype or fulfill every ideal. But that line! She's not an imitation man?! I must have been reading too slowly or too quickly or *something!* That would have had me steaming, LOL. You can never amount to us, wominz!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-630346294397505634.post-21971684401203858222013-06-26T11:37:18.641-04:002013-06-26T11:37:18.641-04:00Very cool to hear of science fiction tackling typi...Very cool to hear of science fiction tackling typically "women's" issues! I'm off to the library tomorrow to get the next volume...Jackie C. Hornehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04146684628443152376noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-630346294397505634.post-31048008492392873042013-06-26T10:03:56.934-04:002013-06-26T10:03:56.934-04:00I wish I could come up and watch you read Barrayar...I wish I could come up and watch you read Barrayar in real time, and I'm looking forward to reading your posts on all of them and the Chalion trilogy. She has some very fun insights about women's "biological agenda" and how society is structured (but can be restructured!) to carry out the labor of childbearing and childrearing. Joycehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02349581175263540741noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-630346294397505634.post-42895556264548834842013-06-25T20:34:35.329-04:002013-06-25T20:34:35.329-04:00What about them makes you love them so, ayelle?What about them makes you love them so, ayelle?Jackie C. Hornehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04146684628443152376noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-630346294397505634.post-18097751591878021982013-06-25T20:34:16.756-04:002013-06-25T20:34:16.756-04:00Thanks, mepamelia. Glad to hear from fans of Bujol...Thanks, mepamelia. Glad to hear from fans of Bujold.<br /><br />I'm looking forward to reading BARRAYAR, as well as the Miles books. Ah, so many books, so little time...Jackie C. Hornehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04146684628443152376noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-630346294397505634.post-13368397490476334982013-06-25T20:10:14.343-04:002013-06-25T20:10:14.343-04:00I read this published as "Cordelia's Hono...I read this published as "Cordelia's Honor" which contained both this book and the follow-up "Barrayar". I think I loved "Barrayar" even more than "Shards". For books written in the eighties I think they hold up very well on a sci-fi level, as romance, and as feminist texts. I think watching Cordelia navigate life on Barrayar which has a patriarchal culture to say the least further informs the feminist thrust of these books. They might not live up to our more modern ideals, but I often think that many women in our day and age don't have the opportunity to live anywhere close to those ideals anyway. <br />I still have every intention of reading the Miles Vorkosigan books (all about their son), but my TBR pile (although mostly ebooks) is in danger of burying me. <br />Great review!mepameliahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05967521027234468350noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-630346294397505634.post-89871242416390104072013-06-25T09:22:57.122-04:002013-06-25T09:22:57.122-04:00One of my all-time favorite books (and series).One of my all-time favorite books (and series).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com